“It’s so easy to be pushed into short-term thinking and short-term solutions. But to make
progress on our most meaningful priorities, and create the career we truly want for
ourselves, it’s necessary to fight back and carve out space for long-term thinking.” – Dorie Clark

Leading coach and multi-published author Dorie Clark is on today to discuss her most recent book, The Long Game: How to be a Long-Term Thinker in a Short-Term World. There are so many key strategies in this book that you’ll want to revisit to maximize your time and live intentionally. Dorie shares some stories from her life as an example of what’s is possible when you apply long term thinking strategies. You will be inspired and motivated after listening to this interview!

All of the show notes can be found at thegoodlifecoach.com/148. While on the show notes page, be sure to access the free resource Dorie provides. Also I’d love for you to join our community. You’ll receive more inspiration and tips to love yourself and your life. For a short time, you’ll get a FREE copy of Michele’s Book, Design a Life You Love.


  1. Why “playing the long game is doing the things today that will make tomorrow easier.”
  2. Three key strategies from Dorie’s book that can help you figure out your long-term plan:
  • Create more white space for ourselves
  • Focus on your own voice so you understand what you want to be optimizing for
  • Keep the faith – if there is a long term goal there will always be detours, surprises, and obstacles along the way
  • Why one of the biggest challenges people face is the huge distance between starting the journey and finishing it.
  • What it means to look for the “rain drops” and how that can keep you motivated.
  • How we can have exponential growth and yet it still feels like zero progress and how to navigate that.
  • Twenty percent time.  This idea came from Google but Dorie says many people don’t do it.  You need to allocate 20 percent of your time to growth activities and it gives you more optionality in the future.  Dorie used this strategy to begin work on a broadway musical. Very cool!
  • Don’t underestimate what you can get done in ten years if you set the goal today and actively work towards it.
  • The importance of networking/ cultivating a network.
  • What it means to optimize for interesting, and how this is better than searching for your passion or purpose.


  1. Get better at tightening the criteria for what you say “yes” to as you get more senior and in demand.
  2. Drink a lot of water.
  3. Be a good daughter and reach out to the older people in your life.  It becomes more important that you be in touch and call them.  It means a lot to them and it is time well spent.


The Long Game free strategic self-assessment.  dorieclark.com/thelonggame

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Dorie Clark has been named one of the Top 50 business thinkers in the world by Thinkers50, and was recognized as the #1 Communication Coach in the world by the Marshall Goldsmith Leading Global Coaches Awards. Clark, a consultant and keynote speaker, teaches executive education at Duke University’s Fuqua School of Business and Columbia Business School.

Recognized as a “branding expert” by the Associated Press, Fortune, and Inc. magazine, she is the author of The Long GameEntrepreneurial YouReinventing You, and Stand Outwhich was named the #1 Leadership Book of the Year by Inc. magazine and one of the Top 10 Business Books of the Year by Forbes. It was also a Washington Post bestseller. Her books have been translated into Russian, Chinese, Arabic, French, Polish, Korean, Spanish, Italian, Vietnamese, and Thai.

Clark, whom the New York Times described as an “expert at self-reinvention and helping others make changes in their lives,” is a frequent contributor to the Harvard Business Review. She consults and speaks for a diverse range of clients, including Google, the World Bank, Microsoft, Morgan Stanley, the Ford Foundation, and Yale University.

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